Posts by Alligator Wisdom

And why is it they call in the brother 3 minutes before the meeting starts to say "we're announcing this tonight"?
Why can't they give the brother a heads up and let him think about it and get back to them?

Yes, this happened to me. TWICE!

I declined eldership. Not needing or wanting my hands to be tied in company procedure and policy, I refused.

The first time the elders were perplexed. They actually thought I was reaching out to be an elder. The PO was embarrased, to say the least, when I sternly told him NO!. The secretary was stuttering trying to convince me because the meeting was just about to get underway. Needless to say, after the meeting we got into a longer discussion. At the next CO visit, it wasn't pretty. I stood my ground while strictly using scriptural backing for my decision. The CO or BOE couldn't refute that.

The second time, it was almost deja vu. However, knowing my stance, they talked with me after the bookstudy meeting before the next upcoming TMS/service meeting where the appointment annoucements are made. Again I said NO!. And again, during the next CO visit, the same tirade.

The reason for my refusal will be a subject for another post. By the way, I sense a third appointment coming on. It has been five years for the last two.

Too much detail to remain anonymous? We'll see if the WT trackers are on.

The elder pool is drying up (aka the company man). The good qualified experienced compassionate loving shepherds are sorely lacking.

Alligator Wisdom (aka Brother NOT Exerting Vigorously)

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The End of Jehovah`s Witness`s

by OUTLAW in

we see alot of topics on the board about the end of the wbt$..i don`t think that will happen in our lifetime........so..lets change our focus..kingdom halls are getting fewer and fewer jw`s in them..congregations are being dissolved and kingdom halls are sold off..many jw`s are very unhappy and we see alot of them on this board.....the wbt$ is a billion dollar organization,they will survive for along time to come..........how about the jehovah`s witness`s?.......with fewer and fewer members..information about the wbt$ on the internet..and..some very depressed jehovah`s witness`s looking for a way out of the cult they are in.....will the "jehovah`s witness`s" survive?...outlaw

Alligator Wisdom

I'm very curious as to what Gary meant by this. If you find a moment to spell it out for me, sir, I'd be grateful.

Not to be intrusive and to be considered anyone's spokesman, but I think I can take a stab at answering your question. Of course I stand to be corrected by Gary.

"Look for a few to be dispensed within the next couple of years" probably means how the WTS corporation can use up their human resources. For example, the Bethel layoffs. The corporation uses what it needs and discards their current and future liabilities. In this case, human flesh and blood. The WTS uses unpaid laborers, but nicely worded as "volunteers".

There is no committment to them at all.

Like I said, I stand to be corrected.

Alligator Wisdom (aka Brother NOT Exerting Vigorously)

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The End of Jehovah`s Witness`s

by OUTLAW in

we see alot of topics on the board about the end of the wbt$..i don`t think that will happen in our lifetime........so..lets change our focus..kingdom halls are getting fewer and fewer jw`s in them..congregations are being dissolved and kingdom halls are sold off..many jw`s are very unhappy and we see alot of them on this board.....the wbt$ is a billion dollar organization,they will survive for along time to come..........how about the jehovah`s witness`s?.......with fewer and fewer members..information about the wbt$ on the internet..and..some very depressed jehovah`s witness`s looking for a way out of the cult they are in.....will the "jehovah`s witness`s" survive?...outlaw

Alligator Wisdom

Thank you GARY!

Well put and concise. I had an inkling of what you first posted but didn't want to misinterpet it. Thanks for clarifying.

As always, your posts are well appreciated.

Alligator Wisdom (aka Brother NOT Exerting Vigorously)

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SUPPLY OF ELDERS DRYING UP?

by badboy in

jw
friends

is this so?

Alligator Wisdom

Hi,

I refused eldership twice over the past five years. It looks like I'm due for another recommendation though.

Funny how the elders seem to envy me. Honestly! Here they are running about with their hands cuffed because of policy and procedure from the Branch office while trying to shepherd the flock. Sorry, doesn't work that way. An elder in the true sense needs the spirit of Christ and Christian freedom to be an effective shepherd. Something that the WTS doesn't allow. The corporation keeps tight reigns.

I know these elders in my circle well enough to say that they are basically nice people, but they are dedicated to the role the WTS dictates that elders should portray. And in turn force the flock to portray. Yes, I refuse to be a pharisee.

The supply of elders are getting younger and inexperienced.

Alligator Wisdom (aka Brother NOT Exerting Vigorously)

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The End of Jehovah`s Witness`s

by OUTLAW in

we see alot of topics on the board about the end of the wbt$..i don`t think that will happen in our lifetime........so..lets change our focus..kingdom halls are getting fewer and fewer jw`s in them..congregations are being dissolved and kingdom halls are sold off..many jw`s are very unhappy and we see alot of them on this board.....the wbt$ is a billion dollar organization,they will survive for along time to come..........how about the jehovah`s witness`s?.......with fewer and fewer members..information about the wbt$ on the internet..and..some very depressed jehovah`s witness`s looking for a way out of the cult they are in.....will the "jehovah`s witness`s" survive?...outlaw

Alligator Wisdom

The current management of the Watch Tower Society doesn't like Jehovah's Witnesses. That's obvious by reading the publications and listening to the convention manuscripts being read. The Witness people are like adult children still trying to please an abusive parent.

Hi Gary,

As always, I enjoy your reading your posts. Always with a nice angle with keen insight.

However, with the one quoted above, I'm not sure what you mean. Maybe too deep for me. Please pardon my ignorance, but can you elaborate a little more on what you mean by the publications and convention manuscripts indicating the dividing line between the WTS corporation and the JW religion.

Alligator Wisdom (aka Brother NOT Exerting Vigorously)

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Letter - Anonymity Required?

by Steady As She Goes in

i am baptised and wish to write a letter to the brooklyn branch requesting a response to two belief-related issues regarding which i have recently educated myself.

the reply to this letter will likely play a large part in my determining how the rest of my life is lived.

i have decided that whatever i do or do not believe in times to come, i will not disassociate myself.

Alligator Wisdom

Try sending your letter/questions marked "Confidential" to the WTS with a stipulation in your inquiry saying that the local BOE are NOT to be contacted.

Simply note that you implicitly trust the letter desk/service department/writing department in this regard and to address your concerns directly without involving your local BOE. State clearly in your letter that if they were to copy a letter to your local BOE, then the WTS at its highest level cannot be trusted with confidential matters. State that all matters in your letter are addressed to the department only and it is confidential while quoting Proverbs 25:9,10.

Attach to that a copy of the Questions from Readers W71 4/1 "Christians keeping certain matters confidential ~ Proverbs 20:19"

You will then truly find out if the WTS is truly trustworthy and respectful for your request. If they are reluctant to do as you suggested, then they should reply back to you directly stating such without copying in the BOE.

However, if they do send a copy of the letter to your local BOE and these elders approach you with it, then you can gasp for air, perhaps cry out in anquish while in distraught terror that your trust was betrayed by Jehovah's annointed one while pointing out your copy of the letter in their hands with your instructions and with the big "Confidential" lettering on the top. Let them know that you now feel depressed and need time to pray to Jehovah for strength to recover from the betrayal.

After that......presume your fade.

Alligator Wisdom (aka Brother NOT Exerting Vigorously)

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Japan closes 638 Congregations!!!!! Why???

by Witness 007 in

japan since the 1970''s has had amazing publisher increases!

every year the number of witnesses shot up by many thousands.

this peaked in 1998, since then the number of witnesses and congregations has continued to drop!.

Alligator Wisdom

The many many gung-ho Japanese JW, in particular childless couples and single pioneers of both genders, have been moving from Japan to various areas in southeast Asia to help where the need is great.

The Japan branch in Ebina encompasses the entire southeast Asia region and this area is under their supervision. The branch office have been encouraging, as instructed by Brooklyn, for brothers and sisters to move where the need is great. Some who are still active on this board may remember a letter that was read to all congregations late summer last year. It highly recommended moving to somewhere where there is a dire need for Kingdom publishers. Of course, this is to be done at your own expense.

From the time that letter was read until today, I personally know 10 people in my circle of JW that I'm acquainted with, that had moved from Japan to other lands. All of them went to third world southeast Asian countries. From Thailand to Papa New Guinea to Cambodia.

This will also produce lower numbers in terms of publishers and congregations in the land of the rising sun.

Alligator Wisdom (aka Brother NOT Exerting Vigorously)

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Our PO just confess to one of us: He doesn't believe anymore

by outofthebox in

jw
friends

maybe we are the crazy ones!

but, after a chat with the po of our congo, we felt a little better with the knowledge that we are not alone on the inside.

let us explain .... today we went to the ministry as every saturday :(.

Alligator Wisdom

Oracle,

You have a PM. Check your inbox.

Alligator Wisdom (aka Brother NOT Exerting Vigorously)

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J.W= No beards-clean shaven, short hair...even Jesus???!!!

by Witness 007 in

do you remember all the publications in the 1950-1960's pictures showing a jesus clean shaven with short hair???.

watch.

1954 p.511 "why do watchtower books now show jesus with short hair and no beard?

Alligator Wisdom

One elder I know shaved his mustache off because the CO said that he was the only elder with one and that it didn't seem he was united with the body of elders in the congregation.

I pity both of them. The reason? Because it has absolutely NOTHING to do with walking in faith toward God. Yet, this procedure was mandated.

Alligator Wisdom (aka Brother NOT Exerting Vigorously)